The Pentagon is lying about UFOs

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) described how his office received a “protected disclosure” from Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, regarding a January 2023 UFO incident over the Gulf of Mexico. After being stonewalled by the Air Force, he delivered a tense, on-base reminder to the military about “how authorities flow in the United States of America.” The Air Force relented, permitting Gaetz to review sensor data gathered during the encounter.

According to Gaetz, fighter pilots tracked four unknown objects flying in a “clear diamond formation.” Notably, the incident occurred on a training range typically conspicuously free of any airborne clutter.

Still imagery indicated that one of the objects demonstrated capabilities that Gaetz, who has served on the House Armed Services Committee for nearly a decade, was “not able to attach to any human capability, either from the United States or from any of our adversaries.”

Radar data, according to Gaetz, showed that the four objects moved in a “very clear formation [with] equidistant” separation.

As Gaetz noted, and further documentation confirmed, the fighter jet’s radar stopped working as the jet closed within 4,000 feet of one of the objects. The jet’s infrared camera malfunctioned too, requiring the pilot to take still images of one of the unknown objects manually.

In a case resolution report published last week, the Pentagon’s UFO analysis office concluded with “moderate” confidence that the object observed by the pilot was a balloon, likely “a large commercial lighting balloon.”

The Hill - The Pentagon is lying about UFOs

Clear video, photo, radar data of objects moving in ways we can’t.

"Just balloons, nothing to see here…"

Just

Only thing worse is they will get away with it. Debunkers will rush to their defense. Most people will never hear about it.



*Pops another black pill*

a reply to: pianopraze

Notably, the incident occurred on a training range

You don't say?

The 2005 Nimitz sightings also happened during training, and I heard something about a new advance radar system being tested at the time as well.

You know about laser, or microwave (radar) laser generated plasmas, right?









The perfect diamond formation would easily be explained by a computer generated projection.

a reply to: pianopraze


Would be helpful if more detail regarding those "capabilities" the Representative could not "attach to any human capability, either from the United States, or any of our adversaries".


I mean, that is really the "rub" isn't it; that we are confronted with a technology that exceeds known human ability, yet no known effort appears to be made to investigate the source of said technology?


Another thing I'd like to know, the report claims that the pilot's IR camera malfunctioned as he approached the object, forcing him to take still images. The implication being that the object somehow, remotely, interfered with the camera's operation. But why the IR camera, and not both cameras?

Was one camera (the IR, for instance) electronically-based (ie. Digital) while the other was mechanical?


The ability to selectively (just the IR camera, and the plane's radar, not the plane's vital systems) influence the operation of electronic equipment at a distance poses a significant clue as to the level of advancement this technology presents.

And it's potential threat, as well.


Or....


Having multiple system failures in-mission could simply be an indication of sloppy maintenance within the service(s); also a potential threat!

a reply to: pianopraze

They lied from day one in June of 1947 when a private pilot flying near Mt. Rainier in Washington state reported a string of swift objects weaving their way across the sky in front of him.

Stop and think about the consequences of ET having the ability to come and have their way with us? There may have been at least one "Take me to your leader," event, but that was only the first order of the day for humanity.

If there is one thing that you can count on in this falling-apart world it is that the ETs are insisting on a One World Government...of some type. Maybe they care not about what kind of government, or maybe they do.

Historically, the US has had more UFO sightings and supposed UFO abductions than any other country on earth. Granted that is hard to prove, but if you take a look back at history no earlier than WWII, you can see that the US is the only one that really saved the rest of the world at that time from the cruelties of the Nazis and the simplistic brutality of communism.

I suspect that the interest in the US was and is an indicative of where the US must go--and is going, in meeting the demands of the overlords without wholesale warfare to make it so. --Putin, I assume, has decided to try the Nazi method as his effort to appease the gods. As for the Chinese, we need to watch them closely as outright warfare is not their only game.

a reply to: CosmicFocus

This is speculation of course. What may have happened is this.

These beings ETs or whatever and whoever they are asked nicely that we end atomic weapon building and get rid of the ones already built.

And they said no...

That's the big secret...
So now they have invaded the earth and are doing a permanent surveillance for one day when...

We are now in the 21st Century. Its about time we started to think like it.

We have to abandon this "ET" mindset.

And start to adopt an "IT" mindset...........Internal Terrestrial.

It is obvious these beings are from Planet Earth, just like us.

They live underground and in the Oceans, with us.

The Alien scenario is a concocted story, that they perpetuate. Possible, because they could be future Humans as well.

There is No Way some Alien from a place Far Far away, could come to Earth, suddenly speak our languages, have sex with Brazilian farmers, look just like humans but different, can survive our atmosphere, with all its pollution, pollen, hair, skin, dust, germs, gasses etc etc not to mention our weather differences and gravity, without actually being an Earth creature of this environment for eons......just like us.

We have been barking up the wrong tree for 70+ years. Or, being led that way on purpose, and the real truth is too confronting for Human hubris.

a reply to: IndieA
All of those things can only be done in very controlled near-field conditions. There is not a system on earth that can generate a coherent IR form at multiple tens of thousands of feet, much less have it dart around and maintain form.

You can spoof radar in several ways, but most airborne radar has significant EP algorithms to prevent anything long-term. However IR requires a physical heat source to spoof a shape. You can make something look like something else in IR, but there still has to be something there. There's no magical constructive interference cross-the-streams gizmo making tic tacs at 20k feet at this point. Simply too much going on in the atmosphere and too little power to heat the air at that distance.

a reply to: Halfswede

Plasmas, whether natural or man-made, can be seen by the naked eye, with infrared, and on radar.

I'll just speculate and suggest that the Nimitz aircraft carrier, with it's nuclear reactor and radar systems, had enough power to have been able to produce plasmas during the 2005 event, and then made them appear to dart around, steering them much like a dot from a laser pointer can be steered.

And for reference, we are taking about plasmas created by focusing multiple lasers or microwave lasers onto a single point, so attenuation isn't so much of an issue.

a reply to: introufo2

So now they have invaded the earth and are doing a permanent surveillance for one day when...

I don't know about ET, but governments have an ever increasing surveillance and data storage game in play.

What for? Probably for one day when they can gain total dominance, aka totalitarian rule.

Now, if governments can make it seem like an invisible boogie man, aka ETs, are behind the totalitarian rule, then they will be able to redirect the blame that will come from all the abuses brought on by tyranny.

And if any of this is true, posts like yours may be part of the problem.

This was real objects.

Not balloons swamp gas etc.

Recorded clearly.

There are clear photos and Gaetz wants them released.

The photos/videos they do release are crap. Almost as bad as their debunking.

Not releasing the videos, but video recordings of the video. Ridiculous.

We have clear radar, photo, and video evidence. Not to mention the pilots.

What we get is swamp gas and refusal to release the clear evidence.

originally posted by: CosmicFocus
a reply to: pianopraze

If there is one thing that you can count on in this falling-apart world it is that the ETs are insisting on a One World Government...of some type. Maybe they care not about what kind of government, or maybe they do.

This is a point few seem to have considered. And one Many on ATS especially, would find extremely upsetting: a non-human civilization, far more advanced and powerful than any human civilization, imposing a world government on Earth, either by example, or dictate.


It does not seem to have occurred to many in the UFO field, that any species capable of assembling the resources necessary to contact Earth from somewhere in the vast cosmos most likely did so from at least a planetary hegemony - a "One World Government" of their own.


In a effort to acquire the riches afforded by the advanced technology our visitors demonstrate, is it not likely that humanity will be open (if not outright coerced) to "adopt the way of our betters"?

To "Join the Federation" in Peace and Prosperity.


ETA:

It should therefore be of little surprise that so many, if not most of these encounters occur in the presence of the military, especially the military belonging to the most powerful nation state currently on the planet.

Kind of like the "new fish" in prison choosing, and punching out the biggest, baddest resident prisoner to establish status.

a reply to: Mantiss2021

This is a point few seem to have considered. And one Many on ATS especially, would find extremely upsetting: a non-human civilization, far more advanced and powerful than any human civilization, imposing a world government on Earth, either by example, or dictate.


It does not seem to have occurred to many in the UFO field, that any species capable of assembling the resources necessary to contact Earth from somewhere in the vast cosmos most likely did so from at least a planetary hegemony - a "One World Government" of their own.

So, what are they waiting for?

That's the biggest debunk of all to that position.

There is no One World Order or New World Order.

At least not yet.

a reply to: SchrodingersRat

"Domination" of a "lesser species" may not be their desire.


Just as zoologists may go to great extents to avoid "contaminating" an animal colony by domestication, NHI's might wish to preserve as much of our species uniqueness as possible; short of allowing us to exterminate ourselves due to primitive tribal conflicts between "artifical" divisions (ie. nation/states).

They see one planet with an, arguably sentient, dominant species (us), and in an effort to preserve that rare quality of Sentience, attempt, by the most subtle means possible, guide us to our best potential.


A "Childhood's End" scenario....or, at least a prequel to such.

originally posted by: Halfswede
a reply to: IndieA

All of those things can only be done in very controlled near-field conditions. There is not a system on earth that can generate a coherent IR form at multiple tens of thousands of feet, much less have it dart around and maintain form.

Just so we can qualify that statement-

What do you know about phase conjugation?
What do you know about coherent matter emitters?
What do you know about the Earths magnetic field lines and ionosphere in terms of their roles in OTH applications?

You say "coherent IR form" - not sure where that came from....but would you be any more amenable to well behaved coherent fermions and bosons??

a reply to: Jukiodone

That's Halfswede's comment that you are referring to.

I'll be interested in the answer, since a lot of what you just mentioned is over my head.

a reply to: IndieA

Apologies- clicked on your post reply instead of his/hers.
Hard to tell with ATS formatting

a reply to: Jukiodone

Not everything, but far more than most -- even in my field. We just aren't there yet.

What I meant by coherent IR form, is a plasma mass/form that maintained strict hardbody geometry throughout its timeline.

Think about it just from a power perspective while forgetting about the sharp-edged geometry. Just focusing on a single point and getting an intersection the size of a meter or more would require beams that size or near to it -- a meter wide laser on CW -- think about the power and HW required.

a reply to: pianopraze

Here’s a decent telling of the Eglin incident……and adding a New Mexico incident…



Below my rendition of what the Eglin pilot may have seen …the four craft diamond formation ….using the resemblance of the 2019 New Mexico craft.

Balloons?…..I don’t think so…based on normal formation flying characteristics….imo



Perhaps the Eglin craft is a reversed engineered NM craft? Who knows….

I don’t believe the AARO “resolved” report.

👽☕️🍩

You can say anything about The Pentagon these days for a story or a sign maybe. That's a funny header though.
a reply to: pianopraze

originally posted by: Halfswede
a reply to: Jukiodone

Not everything, but far more than most -- even in my field. We just aren't there yet.

Sorry- what is your "field".
Im just a layperson so if you have any expertise in physics- feel free to answer those questions.

originally posted by: Halfswede
What I meant by coherent IR form, is a plasma mass/form that maintained strict hardbody geometry throughout its timeline.

I still dont understand what you mean.
A fart is a "coherent IR form" if you look at it through an IR sensor as IR is just a descriptor of emitted wavelength.
If you even attempted to answer any of those questions you would see how pointless this discussion is whilst you are determined to use massless photons as the only possible force carrier.

originally posted by: Halfswede
Think about it just from a power perspective while forgetting about the sharp-edged geometry. Just focusing on a single point and getting an intersection the size of a meter or more would require beams that size or near to it -- a meter wide laser on CW -- think about the power and HW required.

Again, your refusal to even search the terms on Google means you require me to debate a 1970's calculation about lasers in free space minus atmospheric attenuation which is irrelevant.

Just google those questions....then you can school me why, with incorporation to a NEMESIS type system- this is not doable.