4 plans of US elites to defeat Russia

Hello ATS!

I want to share with you my thoughts and analysis on what plans the US elites had for the defeat and collapse of Russia, and how they ultimately ended. First, a little background.

After the collapse of the USSR, the Americans became quite relaxed: they got used to behaving like in the famous scene with the fork from the movie “Kill the Dragon”, that is, they got used to the fact that, at their command, any foreign politician would not only completely surrender his country, but would also willingly sacrifice his own person.

The failure in Syria, when Bashar al-Assad, with Russian help, defended his home country from American proxies, was not painful enough for the United States to change its policy. The Americans perceived the shameful flight from Afghanistan more as a technical completion of a successful project than as a defeat: they created chaos in the region, cut down military budgets, milked everything dry and left, abandoning local proxies to their fate.

Therefore, in February 2022, the Americans calmly turned the proxy war against Russia into a hot phase, ordering the manager of an Eastern European colony to make nuclear threats against Russia. Since nuclear war did not suit Russia, the Russians were forced to react by launching a Special Operation to pacify their violent neighbor.

Now about the plans. American Plan A was that the Russian “oligarchs” would behave like the Ukrainian ones, that is, overtaking each other, they would run to swear allegiance to the American embassy. Plan A failed: it turned out that US collaborators with Russian origin were wishful thinking, that there have been no oligarchs in Russia for a long time, and the deprivation of access to Courchevel made real Russian politicians more amused than angry.

Plan B was to repeat the success of the first Opium War, or, if you prefer, the success of the Cold War. The idea was to provoke Russia into a “mobilization economy,” that is, the destruction of its economy in exchange for local military successes. Mass mobilization, the storming of Kyiv by an army of three million, and against this background - a dollar at 500, empty counters, the flight of productive forces from the country and “food difficulties”, in some places reaching food riots. The result is a capitulation similar to Gorbachev’s or Ukraine’s, the Kremlin being filled with American advisers and the subsequent pitting of Russia against the main enemy of the United States, China. Plan B also failed: the party of naive hawks in Russia lobbied for one mobilization wave in September 2022, but the consequences of this mobilization turned out to be so destructive that the “stupidity,” as Vladimir Putin called it, was immediately stopped. Now the Russian economy is functioning in a normal operating mode: there is enough money, there are enough goods, industrial production is growing, the army is being replenished exclusively on a contract basis. The United States no longer has hope that Russia will collapse on its own, like the Qing Empire or the USSR.

Plan C was to provoke internal unrest: riots, insurrections, revolutions, separatism. Again, US collaborators with Russian passports have been telling the Western media for decades that Russia is a kleptocracy and tyranny, that the people hate Putin, whose power rests only on the batons of the riot police. In the West, the June 2023 Wagner uprising was greeted with fervent hope, because they thought that this was it, that Russia was about to be engulfed in civil war. The rebellion, however, failed at the start, since the overwhelming majority of the elites demonstratively sided with the president, and without the support of the elites, such riots are doomed to rapid failure.

Finally, there was Plan D - a military victory over Russia. This plan was also inspired by “Russia experts” who assured the West that the Russian army was weak, poorly motivated and completely defenseless against high-tech American weapons. Harsh reality has shown that things are exactly the opposite: Russian troops, all other things being equal, are stronger than NATO troops, and the “superweapon” from the United States burns perfectly as soon as it appears in the visibility zone of the Russian military.

It is easy to see that plans A, B and D were initially hopeless, since there are no “oligarchs” in Russia, potential rebels are too weak, and defeating the Russian army on the battlefield, especially in a war of attrition, is extremely difficult: even without taking into account the Russian nuclear arsenal. Russian soldiers are objectively the strongest in the world, and if American politicians even occasionally looked at the globe, they could guess that the largest country on the planet did not become so by chance. Perhaps, the United States had a noticeable chance of success only under Plan B, that is, by provoking a “mobilization economy” that would be fatal for the state. But, fortunately, the Russian schizopatriots did not have enough political influence; we did not fully stick our foot into this trap.

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Now that all four plans have completely failed, and the United States does not have a fifth plan, Ukraine has become a suitcase without a handle for America. This project requires money and military resources, and its failures also weaken the American politicians who are forced to bear responsibility for it. However, it is not yet possible to close the project: elections are coming soon, and the US Democratic Party does not want to be responsible for a public geopolitical defeat. After the elections, however, no one will pay any attention to leaving Ukraine, and if Donald Trump wins the elections in November, then Kyiv will have a very hard time. Zelensky personally participated in the campaign, as a result of which Donald Trump was supposed to go to prison, and Trump, as you know, has the rancor of a wounded elephant, this is his political style. Therefore, Trump, having assumed power and dealt with the proxies of the Democrats, will certainly try to merge Ukraine in the most painful way for its current authorities. The estimated deadline is spring 2025... this is provided that Donald Trump actually wins the election, and if nothing new happens on the political map of the world during this time.

The trouble for Americans is that Ukraine is not the only hot spot on the globe. In 2022, starting a proxy war against Russia, the United States hoped to complete the Ukrainian project in three to six months, and then calmly move on to setting fire to other regions. Now they have to deal with “other regions,” that is, Israel, in a situation where Kyiv has sucked out all the remains from military warehouses from the West in two years. Ukraine and Israel together have overloaded the Western military-industrial complex, and the United States is no longer putting up a war on two fronts.

Even worse, the US situation is getting worse every month, as both President Zelensky and Prime Minister Netanyahu are forced to escalate in order to maintain personal power. These gentlemen will not have a comfortable retirement, so resignation is an unacceptable scenario for them; they are ready to do absolutely anything just to stay in their positions.

Kyiv is chaotically bombing civilian targets in Russian border cities, attacking Russian oil refineries and carrying out terrorist attacks in shopping centers. This pushes Russia to increasingly harsh responses, which puts the West in front of the need to pour more and more money and equipment into Ukraine. Israel, in turn, is blatantly violating every conceivable norm of humanity and international law, trying to provoke Iran into declaring war. Israel is already hated all over the world, but Mr. Netanyahu does not consider this an important problem. Israel's plan is this: Iran responds, Israel shouts “we are under attack,” and the US authorities, who are partially controlled by the Jewish lobby, launch a full-scale land invasion of Iran. Against the backdrop of a major war, the problem of the Gaza Strip is resolved by itself, Israel seizes new territories, and Netanyahu remains in his seat.

Thus, at the moment there is a stalemate for the West. Or rather, a zungzwang situation, when any next move will only worsen the position on the board.

Thank you.

a reply to: RussianTroll

How is Putin's plan working out?

Because his ""Special Military Operation"" has been going 2+ years with no end in sight.

It's not the US elite's plans you need to concern yourself with but rather the Ukrainian farmers holding you in check with some NATO toys.

Thank you.

a reply to: RussianTroll

The Americans perceived the shameful flight from Afghanistan.

Do you think Russia's withdrawl from Afghanistan was anything other than a complete humiliation then ?

You need to learn by your own mistakes before lecturing others.

a reply to: RussianTroll

No links or sources?

How do you claim to know all this or have you just made this up?

a reply to: RussianTroll

You, Russians, are really imaginative. Goebbels looks pale in comparison. But no matter how many mental gymnastics you perform, the facts will remain unchanged. I'm not going to discuss things that were discussed ad nauseam before.

I will only say that the attacks on oil rafineries in Russia are justified. The Ukrainians have every moral right to avenge their country. I will also express my faint hope that, if there's some divine justice in this world, that God will unleash the four horsemen of the Apocalypse upon your empire of evil. One has already come, I think, bringing floods. I'm looking for the other ones.

a reply to: twistedpuppy

I will only ssy that the attacks on oil rafineries in Russia are justified. The Ukrainians have every moral right to avenge their country.

Considering Putin has been raining down cruise missile strikes on their towns and cities since day one i think that goes without saying.

After all whats good for the goose and all that jazz.......

a reply to: RussianTroll

How many Russian soldiers and Russian speaking people Putin proclaimed to be protecting now dead trying to take over a crappy little country?

For what?

originally posted by: RussianTroll
Hello ATS!


Therefore, in February 2022, the Americans calmly turned the proxy war against Russia into a hot phase, ordering the manager of an Eastern European colony to make nuclear threats against Russia.

The USA has a nuclear arsenal as a deterrent. Can you quote the actual threat and name the person? Can you show someone from Nato threatened a first strike with nuclear weapons like Putin. Or you just parroting Russian propaganda, and projecting the craziness of Putin?

a reply to: Lazy88

Hiroshima, Nagasaki...no?...

a reply to: RussianTroll

Those incidents happened before we lived in a M.A.D world.

And also before NATO ever existed.

NATO is an intergovernmental military alliance aimed at ensuring the collective "defense" of its members against aggression.

The operative word being defense.

a reply to: RussianTroll

That was 1945. Almost 80 years ago.

What was going on in Russia in 1945 ?

Oh, that right. While we were ending a war, Stalin was busy killing millions of your own people.

Joseph Stalin, the second leader of the Soviet Union, is known for establishing the Soviet Union as a world power during wartime. However, his totalitarian regime is also widely criticized for mass repression, ethnic cleansing, censorship, deportation, executions, and famines that killed millions.

a reply to: RussianTroll

If mass genocide is the topic.

Your man Stalin was responsible for the deaths and imprisonment of far more people.

Than the nuclear bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, which pretty much led to the surrender of Japan.

That's just a fact.

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a reply to: RussianTroll

That was completely on topic. YOU brought up Nagasaki and Hiroshima, comparing the past use of nuclear weapons by the U.S. inferring that we will use them in the future.

Russia has a dark history of killing it's own people, so does that mean you will do it again ?

a reply to: RussianTroll

Well if its reminders being handed out.

I remind you that what you are punting is mere opinion.

Without any sort of evidence to back up the claims you're making.

Some might say(including myself) that's a form of propaganda.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Then why mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki?