Political thoughts from the garden.

I think your looking at civil war through rose coloured spectacles. Firstly EVs. Yeah, you can have your EV but where does the electric come from when you've just isolated your city. And when that EV breaks where do you get another EV from because all the EV factories have been burned down.
Cities are the very last places you want to be if SHTF. Too many people to get hungry, to get angry but more importantly to get killing. As I've said before the only way to survive anything like that you have to be in a small rural community, food within walking distance, back to basic no electricity living and more importantly be read to die for your community.
The only thing I agree with is there will be mass die offs.
I could go into war lord theories but there is not enough room.

a reply to: Lumenari

Your theories make some sense. But what's going on is so far from anything that resembles sense, it's hard to fathom a true end goal here.

The thing that baffles me most, is the money grab. Now I totally understand greed and all. But do people not have a figure in mind when asked "how much is enough"? I know I do. I have some goals and dreams, some I think I might see, and some I don't think will happen, but I do know there is a number that if I got to that number, I would shift my focus to others more than I do now, and stop trying to worry about what's mine. I have always thought that was "human nature", but the way the power people seem to be operating, there is something much more sinister going on.

a reply to: Lumenari

covid was a military operation, let that sink in a lttle bit

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Lumenari

How about a little pushback?

What you describe takes a few critical ingredients, even assuming all the working parts rely on people readily complying with the leaders who assume power. The "just doing our jobs" faction explains most of that.

First is the scope of what you're describing. A decades if not generational long plan that is prone to it's very own corrupt corruption, if I can word it as such. Perhaps this is easily explained however with a certain amount of zealotry and cultish behaviors. The green movement or any other extremist topic de jour as examples.

Second is the rule of crowds. While they are predictable and programmable there is now the matter of instant communications. This changes the game with who controls the crowd and how easily they can be usurped.

Yet, even these two things have readily available explanations. Those being the extreme lengths gov't and media have gone to over the past decade and humans ability to think/reason themselves out of illogical situations. Which explains everything we also see today.

That is entirely possible as well, the Green movement being nothing more than another means of control and a cash cow at that.

We could also say that the open borders thing is nothing more than Progressives attempting to swell the voting ranks.

We could say that the division in our country is simply there because they want it that way... if everyone is infighting then divided we fall.

Which all taken singly could very well be true.

However.

There is an economic aspect to all of this as well... that being that we've already ran out of money and the can is getting harder to kick down the road.

You know that, I know that... pretty much everyone knows it at some level.

So a crash will eventually happen, the ones pulling the strings seem to want it as quickly as possible.

So that means they have to have some sort of plan in place to capitalize on it.

I don't think that all of these things are happening independently of each other, but some puzzle pieces we can examine to possibly see the bigger picture, as it were.

Thank you for your input and you have valid points.

originally posted by: MickRichards
a reply to: Lumenari

covid was a military operation, let that sink in a lttle bit

Well aware of it and we won't know the effects of the jab for years to come.

Another component of the bigger picture...

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat
a reply to: Lumenari

Total Earnings are less than Expenditures.

The only way to fix that is to fire 75% of our Federal Government.

Not happening.

If we did fire 75% of the Federal Government most people wouldn't even notice.

2 things that rarely decrease are taxes and the size of government.

I think it's a law...or a rule...or something.

Technically economic entropy, or social entropy in the case of governments.

The longer things go on the same the more they grow, the more chaotic they are, the less production comes from them.

Until the system can either be reset or it crashes under its own weight.

a reply to: Lumenari

The Japanese Debt to GDP is well over 200% but their stock market just made an all time high 39,420 at the open.
The Japanese government buys all their own long bonds since the interest rates are not competitive.

In the US lots of elderly retirees park their life savings in 401K and other managed funds.
A friend of mine thought bonds would be a safe haven since you usually get back the principle plus interest minus inflation.
But these are usually managed funds and the advisors gamble with 20 and 30 year treasuries as marketable securities.
Some people lost half their life savings stuck in low yield long bond funds, when they knew they would need the money in less than 10 years.

US Dow Jones stock market also made an all time high last week and funds based on equities have done better because the Fed Reserve bank stopped raising interest rates at 5.25%. But its still gambling because you could lose sometime. If the US financial fund advisers get it wrong and we see people losing their life savings Casino style before November that will have an effect on politics.

This week the US budget may not get approved yet again but kicking the deadline down the road doesn't seem to effect the financial markets any. Financial advisers are concerned about their advertised prior success rate and when they lose big they just create a new fund or pen and go do something different.

a reply to: Skinnerbot

The Japanese Debt to GDP is well over 200% but their stock market just made an all time high 39,420 at the open.
The Japanese government buys all their own long bonds since the interest rates are not competitive.

The Japanese also have 100 year mortgages and spend nothing really military as we do that for them.

Their stock markets reaching all time highs is actually an indicator of how little the Yen is worth now.

Inflation, remember.

What is it.... 150-1 on the USD now?

The Yen is also the third reserve currency... something that is going to go away when BRICs really gets in gear.

Unless you think that the IMF will prop them up?

Is Forbes wrong?

www.forbes.com...

The U.S. dollar has been able to gain and maintain this special status because of the strength of the economy. The U.S. is still the biggest economy in the world by far, with an annual GDP of $23 trillion. Second is China with $17.7 trillion, and way back in third is Japan with $4.9 trillion.

All of this is to say, for the U.S. dollar to collapse would take something pretty major. Like, a WWIII type situation.

And despite all of the uncertainty around the world, the U.S. still remains one of the most stable countries there is. The chances that we see a collapse of the U.S. dollar are very slim, and if it did happen, we'd probably have bigger problems to worry about than our investments.

a reply to: Lumenari

Yes, as a group, it surely speaks to design, can't argue with that.


Guess I'm more in the Dude camp. I've just seen so much incompetence firsthand in all 3 branches of gov't that some plan simply seems so beyond them.


But then again, that's the point isn't it? The useful tools?

originally posted by: putnam6
Is Forbes wrong?

www.forbes.com...

The U.S. dollar has been able to gain and maintain this special status because of the strength of the economy. The U.S. is still the biggest economy in the world by far, with an annual GDP of $23 trillion. Second is China with $17.7 trillion, and way back in third is Japan with $4.9 trillion.

All of this is to say, for the U.S. dollar to collapse would take something pretty major. Like, a WWIII type situation.

And despite all of the uncertainty around the world, the U.S. still remains one of the most stable countries there is. The chances that we see a collapse of the U.S. dollar are very slim, and if it did happen, we'd probably have bigger problems to worry about than our investments.

What the USD actually owes to the rest of the world as a reserve currency is between 700 trillion and 1 quadrillion through SIV's.

Odd that Forbes didn't bring that up...

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Lumenari

Yes, as a group, it surely speaks to design, can't argue with that.


Guess I'm more in the Dude camp. I've just seen so much incompetence firsthand in all 3 branches of gov't that some plan simply seems so beyond them.


But then again, that's the point isn't it? The useful tools?

I've been there too in one branch and the incompetency is... staggering.

I once was tasked to watch 27 little grey boxes that were worth 14 million dollars each.

NOT street value... purchased value.

My job was to paint them military grey once a year.

And shoot anyone that knocked on the vault door that I didn't recognize.

Those little boxes had been there for... some time.

The reason I posted the OP was just a silly little epiphany that possibly all these horrible political views may actually be meaningful in the long term plans of the ones that pull the strings.

As opposed to just being gross negligence on the part of our owners.

After thinking about it for the day and with some input... it may just be the end of the empire... entropy.

a reply to: Lumenari

Alas, America is now completely repeating all the mistakes of the USSR. It is sad. Disintegration and degradation are a natural result of communist rule. Back in 1948, the Florida prosecutor warned about such a situation, but after that no one listened to him and the communists still seized power in the United States. And they will not give this power to anyone. the result will be war, a brutal civil war.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Sounds a little over dramatic with the US markets currently peaking and the Federal reserve bank fearing to cut interest rates due to the strong US economy. This week congress will be voting on part of the new US budget, the politicians mixed food stamp funding in with continued support of the Israel–Hamas armed conflict for the first vote.

Poverty entitlement vs military entitlement if they decide to split that package up before voting.

But that is far from the decline of the Soviet Union back in the 80's and Congress will likely just delay the decision like they did the last three times.

This weeks vote isn't even thread worthy here on ATS apparently.

a reply to: Lumenari
About the military.
Right now if the progressives tried to unleash the military on the America citizens.
They would fail!
In case you haven't noticed there is a push to allow illegal aliens to join the military.
If this occurs the chances of the Military turning on the Citizens goes way up.
The Senior leadership of the military is already been purged and only progressive loyalists remain.
The illegals would have no hesitation on turning their guns on the American citizens.
I believe that is why many of them are coming here and that is to do violence to the American people and if the US Govt wants to give them weapons, all the better for them!

a reply to: RussianTroll

Back in 1948, the Florida prosecutor warned about such a situation, but after that no one listened to him and the communists still seized power in the United States.

Exactly when did this happen?

It couldn't have happened in 1948.

Not with Dwight Eisenhower President from 1953-1961.

Or Ronald Reagan from 1981-1989.

NFW either of these would allow communists to have ANY power in the US.

The only time it may have happened was during this diaper wearing presidents term.

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat
a reply to: Lumenari

Great post - I like your thoughts.

The civil war issue?

Blue states would like to be in control of the US military if TSHTF.

I'm sure they'd like to but that doesn't mean they'll be able to. I personally don't see the military following the liberals/progressives. It is historically a very conservative bunch, n'est pas?

On a final note, most people think that NY is a lock for a blue state.

Not so. The only place democrats outnumber Republicans is in NYC. NY state is a *lot* bigger than that - especially in a SHTF scenario.

Just my thoughts.

Your mileage may vary.

Etc.

With the open border crisis, and so many military-aged Chinese men crossing the border, the establishment might not even need the American military to get what they want.